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Rose blade in Nara bind
Topic Started: Aug 7 2016, 01:27 PM (774 Views)
Kin_
Genin
I've recently obtained a Rose blade NC sword and got it so I can use it on people while I've binded them in shadow possession jutsu, before I did this I asked Hali if it would be abuse and he said no but then Zane said yes and Kerry13 said he doesn't know.

I don't think its abuse because its petals forming from a sword that isn't a jutsu and Nara's have that new passive called complete control where they're allowed to use jutsu's while they bind someone.

Loose Johnson also said he would find out but I haven't heard from him.
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NaraMax
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That passive isn't in the game yet. It's there but it doesn't work.

My best guess would be that it isn't allowed, But who knows.
Edited by NaraMax, Aug 7 2016, 02:02 PM.
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Okawari
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NaraMax
Aug 7 2016, 02:02 PM
That passive isn't in the game yet. It's there but it doesn't work.

My best guess would be that it isn't allowed, But who knows.
This. I wouldn't use it personally as you may be banned unfairly, but if you want to continue using it screenshot Hali giving the thumbs up and showing it to whoever bitches/moans.
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Now, I've been gone for like, over two years, so take what I say with a grain of salt, or afew rather.

Buuut, iirc, petal jutsu is "control type," similar to Kiro's shuriken creation, or Sabaku's sand control. By definition, a control type was something that could be used by a thought or motive, rather than requiring handseals, thus, why it was, and still is legal to use afew kiro or Sabaku moves in shadow bind.

So, unless the verdict has changed, I'm very sure the petal blade follows the same principle.
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Hali
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That's why I said it was legal. If anyone wants to overturn, this go ahead along with reasoning.
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Kin_
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XD Hali you're confusing me now... Loose Johnson said its abuse and that you and Zane discussed it and came to the conclusion it was abuse. Can I get a definitive answer please.
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Kin_
Aug 7 2016, 09:57 PM
XD Hali you're confusing me now... Loose Johnson said its abuse and that you and Zane discussed it and came to the conclusion it was abuse. Can I get a definitive answer please.
He said it was legal.
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Not sure who, but it was publicly announced in game abit ago that staff had determined it abuse.

Which personally, I think is bullshit. Might as well call Kiro and Sabaku jutsu in nara bind abuse. (Even though that was intentionally their advantage in 2010, and were acknowledged as legal in a nara bind, just like rose blade.)

Just saiyen.
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Rose blade logic is difficult IMO. Both Nara bind and petals are controlled using arrow keys.

So IMO I think it'd be abuse because it bugs the shadow control.
However rose blade shouldn't gain camera view nor be arrow controlled i feel like yaku stated it's a controlled with thought thing, so it should be mouse controlled in view.
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xxxxyobdab
Aug 7 2016, 11:11 PM
However rose blade shouldn't gain camera view nor be arrow controlled i feel like yaku stated it's a controlled with thought thing, so it should be mouse controlled in view.
WHY HAS THIS NOT BEEN DONE?!?

But srsly. I swear. The new gen of players is interesting. Calling everything abuse rather than getting good.

*Smh.*
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Yin
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There was a ruling a while back about naras not being allowed to control anything other then their shadow while using it. But, I've never heard of a rule stating that people cant use other things while being caught by a nara's shadow.. hmm... I still would think it's abuse if a nara uses his shadow to catch you, then while controlling the shadow, controlls petals from a Rose blade and uses that to cut you.. Just doesnt seem logical that you'd be able to focus on controlling both the shadow, and the petals
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Yin
Aug 8 2016, 01:40 AM
There was a ruling a while back about naras not being allowed to control anything other then their shadow while using it. But, I've never heard of a rule stating that people cant use other things while being caught by a nara's shadow.. hmm... I still would think it's abuse if a nara uses his shadow to catch you, then while controlling the shadow, controlls petals from a Rose blade and uses that to cut you.. Just doesnt seem logical that you'd be able to focus on controlling both the shadow, and the petals
That, I can agree with.

But it's been a long time thing that rose petals are control style, and that someone in a nara bind can use control style techniques to hurt the nara.

*Mumbles and grumbles about the old days.*
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It's abuse people have been banned/warned about it. This isn't a new thing. That passive also means nothing ive talked to sasuna about that nara passive and the person who reworked nara snuck that passive in and it is not obtainable and means nothing.

If staff discusses it and decides to change it or whatever idc the ruling was actually made to protect naras. But currently its 100% abuse

@Hali the logic behind it at the time i believe was that you swing to use sword techs from legendary swords. some people had anime arguments about bleach but in the end it determined you swing your sword to use all sword techs.

Also this wasn't just pertaining to nara. It had to do with uchiha shackle, Sabaku sand sphere, and shiroi mirrors (Tangu~). But i heard aura started to do Shiroi mirrors + rose blade again so i guess things could be different now, Yamanaka into rose blade op~
Edited by TheZane, Aug 8 2016, 02:21 AM.
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Kin_
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It lets me use petals even if the sword isn't equipped. Also, is it abuse for me to summon crows then nara bind them and have the crows peck at them?
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Kin_
Aug 8 2016, 01:49 PM
It lets me use petals even if the sword isn't equipped. Also, is it abuse for me to summon crows then nara bind them and have the crows peck at them?
Crows + nara bind isnt abuse if the crows are already out. (i've asked about this before)
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